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I'm pretty sure China recognized Ukraine as an independent country until very recently.


No foreign policy expert but it seems more complicated than that.

China still does recognise Ukraine as independent in the sense it continues to push for respect of "territorial integrity". It's a key part of Chinese foreign policy, and is what China uses to maintain its false claim over Taiwan (which it sees as Beijing territory, notwithstanding that Taiwanese people see themselves as independent).

Yet it still refuses to condemn Russian aggression on the basis that Russia has "security concerns" which China considers legitimate and the result of the US/NATO.

Confused? So am I. The stance is confused and confusing. It explains why the Beijing narrative seems to change daily as it attempts to push and balance these seemingly irreconcilable views.


> notwithstanding that Taiwanese people see themselves as independent.

It isn’t that cut and dry. Most Taiwanese people prefer the status quo, surely by no small measure due to the fact that an outright declaration of independence would provoke China, but still, people who paint the picture as black and white like you have are either advancing an agenda or simply ignorant of the facts on the ground in Taiwan.


> Most Taiwanese people prefer the status quo

The status quo is that they are independent, see themselves as independent, but simply haven't made some outright declaration.

It can both be true that they see themselves as already being independent, and also that they don't want to make an outright declaration.

Specifically, the ruling party has said that they don't need to make an outright declaration, because they are already independent.


That is the view of their current president and ruling party, yes.

It is not the position of the opposition party, nor does it align with historical precedents. Treating it as the official policy of Taiwan without a higher level of support such as a popular referendum, proclamation, or amendment to the ROC constitution doesn’t pass the smell test (what happens if the KMT comes back into power? Is Taiwan no longer independent?). No major country outside of Taiwan recognizes it as an independent nation for a reason.

I should note that I am personally supportive of the idea of an independent Taiwan, but I’m also able to check my western bias.


>Most Taiwanese people prefer the status quo

I think you're conflating whether Taiwanese people see themselves as independent, on the one hand, and whether they wish to formally declare that, on the other.

"The majority of Taiwanese believe that Taiwan is already an independent country called the Republic of China. ... more than 70 percent of Taiwanese agree with this statement." [0]

Note that I never said the people of Taiwan want to formally declare independence, which may risk starting a war. I'm prepared to accept that many Taiwanese are content with a "status quo" of diplomatic ambiguity, but I never suggested otherwise.

[0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/01/0...




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