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Just FYI, I have an MS in EE and I work at a pattern-rec startup. So, no PhD not really required to get a job in that field. That being said, having a PhD helps alot if you want to take on the 'scientist' role right off the bat (for example, my job duties have included things like optimizing the algorithm both computationally and algorithmically).

Your stats look fine for applying to CS PhD. Top 5 is probably a long shot (but it always is). But, they love math backgrounds. The only problem is no publications. Top tier CS schools virtually require a strong research background.

1. It's probably going to hurt more than help, to be honest. Even though EE and CS and the like -do- have industrial applications, the people who are reading your application chose to stay in academia. That means they don't necessarily look kindly on people diminishing that. My suggestion say "financial obligations" and leave it at that. The key is to seem really really really really excited about CS and that's why you are applying.

2. This is a serious longshot.

3. AI research groups will care alot more about your research than the school. And yes, top tier schools will tend to have smarter people and therefore better co-founders. Any "decent" school though will have plenty of smart people.

4. The money is there at any CS school so you'll more then likely go to school for free and work on funded research projects. The career possibilities are as good as they get with any PhD.



Which is the longshot, finding the mentor or the NSF?

My experience is that top departments, and fellowships like NSF, basically want people who are already grad students. Actually, NSF seems to have more to do with the merits of the research problem than the student, per se. I don't think I have a shot without enough research experience to have a rough idea of what "my problem" will be.


An NSF graduate fellowship is always a long-shot. Every good first- or second-year graduate student in the country is applying for one, and the competition is intense.

More to the point: the competition is at such a high level that the outcome rests on things that are far more subjective than you might like. For example, volunteer experience and educational outreach can be decisive factors when all the candidates are equally good on paper.


Make a good story about how you want your work to help other people, and also play up the diversity angle if you have something like an immigrant parent. That's what my NSF friends did (except those who were so excellent that they didn't have to jump through hoops).


The cost you pay for this is that your place in grad school and your fellowship are now predicated on your ability to bullshit. This emotional weight may be worse than just plain not getting the shiniest fellowships, or into the most prestigious school.


Most of academic life is predicated on your ability to bullshit. ;-)


Yeah...sometimes that works. But if you and your friends thought of it, what makes you think that every other smart grad student in the country didn't think of it, too? (Except for the "have an immigrant parent" part, of course.)


It's precisely because everyone else has thought of it that it's essential if you want to have even a fighting chance.




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